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Should Catalonia become an independent state and break away from Spain?



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The pro-independence movement in Catalonia is a first order concern in Spain and Europe. Catalonia as an independent state: is it really such a good idea? Vote and leave your arguments below.

Referendum of independence

Catalan independence campaign is gathering a noticeable amount of support within Catalonia and abroad. On 1 October 2017 the pro-independence nationalist movement organized an illegal referendum of independence. Only 3 years before, on 9 November 2014 the Generalitat (Government of Catalonia) organized another public consultation about the independence of Catalonia. Although this was not a legal referendum, banned by the Spanish Constitutional Court, the relatively high level of participation demonstrated that the pro-secession camp was very strong in Catalonia. The question whether Catalonia should become an independent state have dominated regional politics in Catalonia ever since and the tensions between the two camps have mounted.

Catalonia and independent state?

Catalan nationalist parties have claimed that there is excessive interdependence within Spain and that a much larger share of the taxes collected in Catalonia should stay in Catalonia. They have accused the government of not recognizing sufficiently their different identity and declared that it is too late to reach and agreement, so that the only way out of the current institutional crisis is to seize independence. Catalan independence parties have adopted populist communication strategy. On the other hand, pro status quo parties claim that Catalan nationalists are overemphasizing the differences between Catalans and the rest of the Spaniards and disregarding the negative consequences that the independence could have for all Spanish people (including many Catalans). They also argue that pro-independence arguments collide with  the principles of solidarity, equality and the Spanish legal framework. For them the solution to this crisis is to be found through institutional dialogue rather than with secession.

The 27 September 2015 regional elections have been a new test to measure the strength of the partisans of independence and those who want Catalonia to remain in Spain. The pro-independence parties (which have ruled Catalonia over the last few years) want to use the results of the elections as a mandate to unilaterally declare independence. This would mean a break away contrary to Spanish law, and probable exclusion from the EU and most international organizations and treaties. The stakes are high. Would a political solution suffice? 

 
 

What do you think about the Catalan case? Is Catalonia's pro-independence struggle equivalent to that of anti-colonial liberation movements? Do you think secession is the best way to solve the problems of Catalonia? Would the independence of Catalonia be positive for Catalans and the rest of the Spaniards? In case of an independence referendum, shouldn't the rest of Spaniards be consulted too? Should 16-year-olds be allowed to vote in such referendum?

Should Catalonia become an independent state and break away from Spain? Share your views about the independence of Catalonia including the reasons that have led to the current situation and any other potential solutions.


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#66  |  leto78  06 November 2014 @ 23:45    Jomarvic  (#65)

It is interesting to compare the rise of nationalism in Scotland and in Catalonia. In Scotland, this was caused by the measures put in place by Margaret Thatcher, which were very detrimental to the Scottish society and basically erased the conservative party support in Scotland. Furthermore, it propelled the SNP from a fringe party to now be the ruling party in Scotland. There is a strong consensus that the Thatcher's legacy and the refusal of David Cameron to negotiate on the further devolution of powers and lead to the very strong support of independence. In Catalonia recognise the same patterns but in a much smaller time-scale. While the government of Aznar was able reach an agreement with CIU and have a peaceful relation, this would be unthinkable with Rajoy. The "estatut" being watered down at the constitutional court after the Popular party was unable to stop it at both the congress and the senate houses, it was probably the point where independence became a fringe idea to a mainstream movement. This was considered an humiliation to Catalonia, especially after being approved by congress representing the majority of Spain. If Catalonia ever gets a binding referendum on independence, I believe that people will look back and blame Rajoy for this situation, in the same way that they blame Thatcher in the UK for the rise of Scottish nationalism.

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#65  |  Jomarvic  06 November 2014 @ 22:47

What you say sounds very sensible and although I don't agree with many of your points, they are a good placeto start a civilised dialogue to find a solution that respects the law and the rights of all minorities, both within Spain and within Catalonia. But what you read in a forum like this coming from many independists is very different. They just refuse to listen to other points of views and disqualify anyone who don't agree with them calling them fascists, blaming Madrid and playing the victims card. Some of the comments below are border line insults. This radicalisation has been in a large part instigated by the regional government in Catalonia, a government that is part of the Spanish state and exists and has a great deal of autonomy thanks to the Constitution it constantly attacks. The Constitution can be changed, I'm all in favour to that, but it's got to be done playing by the rules. That is my position.


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